Michelle Patrina DPE Checkride Gouges – Goodyear, Arizona

This summary is based on multiple recent gouges submitted by applicants who took checkrides with Michelle Patrina in Goodyear, Arizona. While every checkride varies, consistent patterns emerge. Applicant experiences with this examiner show significant variation in testing approach and interpersonal style.

Important Note: Reports from applicants show highly variable experiences with this examiner, ranging from very positive to very challenging. Common factors in successful checkrides include thorough preparation, professional presentation, early organization, and clear communication.

Oral Exam Emphasis

Across multiple reports, candidates noted line-by-line review of ACS standards. Endorsements received detailed scrutiny with emphasis on spelling out full terms rather than acronyms such as writing "Airplane Single Engine Land" instead of ASEL. Written test scores were mentioned as a factor in oral difficulty level. Paper logbooks were strongly preferred over digital versions. Aircraft documentation including photos of placards was appreciated. Weight and balance scenarios and personal minimums were discussed. Weather briefing procedures including calling 1800-WX-BRIEF were valued. The examiner provided snacks and breaks during extended ground sessions.

Commonly Repeated Questions

  • Medical certificate requirements and BasicMed limitations
  • Common carriage versus private carriage scenarios
  • Part 135 versus Part 121 operations differences
  • Currency and proficiency requirements
  • Oxygen requirements for passenger operations in specific aircraft
  • High altitude endorsement and type rating requirements
  • Weight and balance calculations with passenger and fuel scenarios
  • Aircraft-specific oil type and minimum quantities (25w60 oil, 6 quarts minimum for SR20)
  • Electrical system failure scenarios and battery duration
  • Cloud clearance and weather minimums
  • Certificate and endorsement scenarios for add-on ratings

Teaching Expectations (CFI)

For instructor checkrides, teaching assignments commonly included steep turns and runway incursion avoidance. The examiner followed PTS precisely and appreciated references to specific PTS items. Visual aids including slides showing proper feet position for taxi were valued. Emphasis on not taxiing with brakes in runway incursion presentations was noted. Fundamentals of Instruction were evaluated throughout the day rather than as a separate section. The examiner adopted student roles including confusion over terminology to evaluate instructional adaptation. Scenario-based endorsement discussions were used rather than rote knowledge testing.

Preparation Requirements

Completing IACRA form at least two days before the checkride was expected. Arriving early and appearing professional was emphasized. Organization with tabbed documents and color-coded logbook entries was appreciated. Having aircraft airworthiness documentation prepared including inspection records was required. Calling weather briefer before checkride and documenting the call was valued. Navigation logs with manual waypoint naming rather than latitude/longitude coordinates were preferred. Bringing printed ACS with annotations and personal minimums sheet was noted positively in multiple reports.

Flight Test Patterns

Applicants reported options to begin with either landings or maneuvers. Short field and soft field takeoffs and landings were standard tasks. Practice area work included chandelles, steep turns, power-on and power-off stalls, accelerated stalls, eights on pylons, and emergency procedures. For CFI checkrides, teaching while the examiner performed maneuvers was required with emphasis on verbal correction without taking controls. Energy management discussions were valued. Landing on the 1000-foot markers was mentioned as a professional standard expectation. The examiner was noted as giving breaks during extended flights.

Areas Requiring Attention

Multiple applicants noted emphasis on terrain awareness even at significant distances from elevated terrain. Taxi technique without excessive brake use was mentioned repeatedly. Gentle control inputs during stalls allowing natural nose drop was expected. Calling out "imminent stall" during stall recognition was specifically required. Proper shoulder harness use throughout flight was emphasized. Coordination during best glide speed in emergency scenarios was monitored. Reference point selection for ground reference maneuvers required clear visibility. Energy state management on approach was scrutinized.

Examiner Demeanor Variability

Applicant reports show significant variation in examiner interaction style. Some candidates described a supportive, encouraging approach with patience and helpful feedback. Others reported a more challenging testing environment with elevated stress levels. Common themes in positive experiences included thorough preparation, professional presentation from the start, and clear communication. Reports suggest that demonstrating competence early in the checkride correlated with a more relaxed examiner approach. Candidates noted that the examiner values safety, adherence to standards, and professional conduct.

Aircraft & Ratings

  • CFI Initial, Private Pilot, Commercial Pilot
  • Cirrus SR20, Cessna 172
  • Goodyear Airport (KGYR), Phoenix-Mesa Gateway (KIWA), Ramona (KRNM)
  • Practice areas: Rainbow green field, Lakeside area, Warner Springs

Transparency Disclaimer: This page summarizes patterns reported by applicants. Reports show significant variation in applicant experiences. This is not an endorsement, prediction, or guarantee of outcome. Applicants should prepare thoroughly and maintain professional conduct throughout the checkride process.

Sample Gouge Preview

CFI Initial Checkride with Michelle Patrina - January 2024

Pre-Checkride Preparation:

Michelle likes to get the 8710 form completed at least two days before the checkride, so have your endorsements and paperwork done early. She arrived on time and even brought donuts. She really believes in making sure students are comfortable and well fed and hydrated throughout the long day.

Critical Preparation Points:

Make sure your endorsements are clear and thorough. Do not use acronyms like ASEL - spell it out as "Airplane Single Engine Land." She is very particular about this and it sets the tone for professionalism.

She prefers paper logbooks. If you have digital logbooks, be ready for potential issues. If you're going digital, make sure you have a nicely laid out and clear version printed on paper.

I had a binder prepared with all my aircraft airworthiness and documents. I included photos of all the placards on the aircraft, which she really appreciated. Looking organized and put together from the beginning will give you a lot of grace later in the checkride.

Oral Examination Approach:

She did look at my written test scores as a gauge of how thorough to be with me. Since my written test scores were 99% and 93%, she told me straight up she wasn't going to be as hard on me. She asked me what sections I wanted to teach for the oral. She said otherwise I would have to teach lessons on the areas I missed on my written, but since I had so few questions missed, we skipped that.

There was no specific oral section for Fundamentals of Instruction. Instead, she evaluated that throughout the day. She would do things that students would do, like get confused on terms I used, and looked to see if I picked up on that and adapted my teaching.

Runway Incursions Lesson:

The runway incursions lesson was a bit challenging. It was very clear she did not want to be bored by a long generic lecture. She preferred something local showing all the hotspots and issues at local fields. It was clear she didn't want to spend a lot of time on it, but I was conflicted since I had to hit all 17 PTS items to meet standards.

Certificates and Endorsements Scenario:

For certificates and endorsements, she gave me a practical scenario. A private helicopter pilot came to me and wanted to fly airplanes. I needed to tell her what endorsements would be required from beginning to end, and what previously logged time would be usable toward the Airplane Single Engine Land Private Pilot License. I took a break, looked at the regulations, wrote down the requirements assuming they did the minimum for a helicopter PPL, and read back what they needed. She said since I could do that, I must know certificates and endorsements, and we moved on.

Maneuver Brief:

I had to teach steep turns as my maneuver brief. She let me know this ahead of time, so I was well prepared. There were very few surprises in this portion.

Weather Briefing:

She asked if I wanted to break for lunch, which I did. We met back at the hangar for a preflight lesson. I had gotten the weather previously in the morning at 1-800-WX-BRIEF and wrote it down and showed it to her earlier. She asked if I had checked the weather. I said I was waiting until right before we fly to get an update on current conditions. I called 1-800-WX-BRIEF on speakerphone and got an update. She absolutely loved that my phone number was pre-registered with Leidos and I went straight to a SoCal briefer. She said that means I call for weather on my own regularly and she absolutely raved about that.

Preflight Lesson:

I did the preflight lesson using the POH from the aircraft, which she appreciated. She specifically said she doesn't like people using store-bought POHs or other checklists. Use the actual aircraft POH.

Flight Portion - Taxi:

The flight started off well. I used my taxi diagram on my iPad and drew out our route on the iPad when I got my taxi instructions. She really appreciated that visual approach. She went all over the airplane looking for things and created tons of distractions while taxiing, so be ready for that. She's testing your ability to maintain focus and taxi safely while dealing with student questions and behaviors.

Teaching Straight and Level:

We took off eastbound from Montgomery-Gibbs and headed toward Lake Jennings. The first thing we did was have her under the hood as I taught straight and level flight. She did absolutely everything wrong if I did not specifically instruct otherwise. I learned quickly to be absolutely clear and explicit with every instruction. I also should have called out that we were clear of Class Bravo airspace - I had checked, I just didn't verbalize it. She got upset when I almost got on the controls with her. She really did not like that, so don't ever try to take controls from a student without clear communication first.

Chandelle Teaching:

We went northeast and I taught a chandelle. I screwed up by dropping the nose a little bit, but I called out my corrections immediately, so we continued. This demonstrates that she's fair - if you recognize and correct mistakes, it's acceptable.

Steep Turns Teaching:

Next I had to teach her steep turns. She didn't like that I instructed her to go straight to 45 degrees of bank. She suggested it would be better to have her start at 30 degrees of bank just to get a feel for it first and not let the student get frustrated with an immediate steep bank.

Accelerated Stalls:

We did accelerated stalls. She didn't like me pushing the nose too hard to recover. She also wanted me to specifically call out the words "imminent stall" when the stall was happening. This verbal callout is important to her.

Emergency Scenario:

Next we went into an emergency scenario, which in my case was an oil pressure loss. I descended down to Warner Springs. I should have turned to a left downwind so the student could see the field. Instead I went right so I could see the field. She didn't like that - the student's view is what matters, not mine.

Eights on Pylons:

After that she asked me how high AGL I thought we were. I said 1500 feet AGL and confirmed with a glance at my iPad AGL readout (I suggest having that feature available). Then she had me demonstrate eights on pylons, which I performed well. She let me select the second pylon after going around the first one.

Return for Landings:

After that it was time to return for landings. We went back to Ramona. She commented that I cruised too slow. She insisted on flying with purpose and saving your students money, so she wanted full cruise speed. I ended up descending at 160 knots into Ramona, which got me too high for the first landing, so I went around. She commented later that I should have done a better job anticipating and fixing my energy state, but my aeronautical decision making to go around was good.

The first landing was a normal landing to a full stop. She wanted full stops so I could get a breather, as we were already about 1.8 hours on the Hobbs. I had forgotten to switch my fuel tanks and caught it during my full runup checklist. She said she was about to fail me for that, so running complete checklists saved me.

The next was a short field landing, again to a full stop. The final was a soft field takeoff to a power-off 180. I hit the landing mark exactly with a somewhat unstabilized off-centerline approach with a heavy slip. She really didn't like my approach technique, but I hit the mark precisely so there wasn't much she could say about it.

Return to Montgomery-Gibbs:

We taxied back for a takeoff back to Montgomery-Gibbs with a soft field landing. During the flight back, she removed her shoulder straps from the seatbelt. I wasn't quite sure what she was testing, but I asked her about it and she said "it's fine." Finally before approach to landing, I insisted on the shoulder straps being properly worn. I think she was looking for that assertiveness as the instructor and pilot in command.

Again I was flying very fast at 140 knots into Montgomery-Gibbs Class Delta, so I really had to slow the plane down quickly. I could have done a better job managing my energy state overall. I did the soft field landing on the 1000-foot markers.

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